LTXVI (26/30)

Tue, 06/30/2009 - 22:25 — maho

Next 2.1-based LT game submission is open. Game without teams.

Game will start not later than 1 Sep, but can be sooner if everyone (or vast majority) wants it.

UPDATE: well, it was a lie, game started way later.

server: ltxvi.longturn.org
port: 5556

Players

#	name	time	also controlled by
1	maho	2009-07-01 00:25:46.067483	-
2	kevin551	2009-07-01 03:44:58.62674	-
3	woj11	2009-07-01 10:17:10.301697	-
4	edrim	2009-07-01 11:31:47.110127	-
5	pytoux	2009-07-01 14:03:23.166418	-
6	Kevapo	2009-07-02 07:54:40.31851	-
7	urgo	2009-07-03 19:33:15.110501	-
8	Grendel	2009-07-04 12:46:09.146729	-
9	canuck101	2009-07-04 19:33:39.5849	-
10	chomzee	2009-07-05 13:39:41.664447	-
11	wiw	2009-07-06 22:32:22.819327	-
12	bluemoth	2009-07-06 23:27:30.271967	Duncan Shriek
13	det0r	2009-07-07 06:01:32.741529	-
14	mrsynical	2009-07-07 07:20:13.24336	-
15	elrik	2009-07-07 15:06:32.597969	-
16	terror	2009-07-09 21:42:13.352101	-
17	Kryon	2009-07-16 18:23:48.158001	-
18	Kinetic	2009-07-19 06:54:43.26852	-
19	MooseJaw	2009-07-26 23:30:22.801035	-
20	Robodave	2009-07-30 10:52:01.653324	-
21	Duncan Shriek	2009-08-02 17:01:12.041643	-
22	JohnJ	2009-08-04 17:32:22.018088	-
23	dexter	2009-08-05 13:51:50.979959	-
24	Marduk	2009-09-01 05:52:36.820983	-
25	syntron	2009-09-01 10:36:15.487121	-
26	Zodrac	2009-09-26 20:39:58.080543	-

Related polls

finished:11

Comments

Thu, 09/17/2009 - 01:27 — mrsynical

LTXIV - summary of ruleset

For those with bad memories and especially the newbies, at the bottom there are also some non-standard rules inherited from previous games.

Please post if there are mistakes or key things missing.

- Techloosing - no loss of tech when giving/taking technology
- Population cost for new settlers - 1 person
- Terain movement - doubled from default
- Increase starting settlers - 4 settlers
- set Diplomacy - No Diplomacy Restrictions
- Hit Point Regeneration in Fortress - 50% increase on base points each turn.
- Marco Polo cost - 500 sheilds (up from 200 sheilds)
- Effect Police Stations - default 1x.

- moverefill value - 10 hrs
- fogged borders - enabled
- diplchance - 50%
- contactturns - no meetings until embassy formed
- caravans and frieght - disabled
- city trading - disabled
- spacerace - disabled
- rapture delay - ???? <---------------- is it 3?? help!

Thu, 07/09/2009 - 04:02 — mrsynical

Active polls?

I have have authorisation to access the last 4 polls (diplomacy, settlers, popcost and terrain movement).

"Access denied You are not authorized to access this page."

Are these polls really active?

Sat, 10/03/2009 - 12:13 — edrim

Vacation and delegation rule once again.

Once more one of us get a delegation to other account. I want to know if we are going to play like LTXV, where there was a mess with delegation or delegation is for someone who is away on vacation and doesnt login into game (but remember if you planing 6 moth vacation without connecting to net please dont sign in to a game and do not give your account to anyone).

For me there is only two way:

-wirte in vacation topic that you are going away and a time of vacation then give someone control of your nation

-give control to anyone in a game without a reason, he can login to a game all time even if you are logged in a game same time

Playing first way give many disadventages so if some of us will play first way and rest of us second way i want to know it in the very begining, because i am not going to play first way if my opp will have acces to many accounts.

Edrim.

Tue, 09/01/2009 - 19:48 — rr

Game start?

Has the game started?

This is my first Longturn game... What do we do first? Is country control decided on a first-come first-served basis, or handled through the website?

I'm anxious to play...!

Thu, 09/17/2009 - 05:56 — kevin551

tired attack is on.

I made a vote about tired attack but Maho wrote and told me this had already been added.

So I think tired attack has been restored to the game. This means if you have only 1/3 moves left you will attack with 1/3 strength.
This was the default behaviour and is still the documented behaviour but freeciv 2.1 does not have this normally.

Sun, 10/18/2009 - 18:17 — canuck101

I can't connect either.

Sat, 08/15/2009 - 01:16 — canuck101

The polls still need to be activated

The polls still need to be activated. If they aren't activated within a few days, we won't be able to start on September 1st.

Fri, 08/14/2009 - 07:07 — Citral

Unsigned

I looked in my study and work schedule for this LTXVI time period. It seems I will not be able to play regularly and consistently. Hence I give up my spot for someone else and will skip this particular LT.

Bye, Citral

Sun, 10/18/2009 - 17:08 — Kryon

can't connect

I can't connect to LTXVI. Is it just me or has the game crashed?

Sat, 09/12/2009 - 20:57 — Kryon

settings

Maho, it seems that the unitwaittime and foggedborders settings are not activated.

Sat, 09/12/2009 - 14:59 — Kryon

Game Started

The game started. I will delegate and undelegate control to Maho so that people get informed about it.

Kryon

Sun, 10/18/2009 - 17:33 — urgo

i can't connect as well

Fri, 09/18/2009 - 11:38 — syntron

game statistiks

there exists the section game history on this page. One has to write down the history of his/her nation. That about a basic statistic which is added for a finished game. A script is available at
http://forum.freeciv.org/viewt... . This would give an overview and based on this it would be possible to add comments about the events (meetings, ...)

Mon, 08/24/2009 - 16:48 — syntron

Ltex

So I started in ltex; I will check if I can survive there. If not, LTXVI will be no fun ...

Fri, 10/16/2009 - 02:46 — Kinetic

Fogged Borders Bug?

It seems that if borders were once on a tile, then are taken off (city destroyed), the border comes back after the vision is taken away. Shouldn't it stay without borders?

Sun, 08/30/2009 - 03:19 — Kinetic

Server?

What address do we use to connect to the server once the game is running?

I was unable to find the LTex server posted anywhere and I didn't want that to happen with LTXVI.

Thu, 08/06/2009 - 01:50 — enkhuushd

Any guide for noob?

Is there any guide for a new player when playing against human?

Fri, 12/18/2009 - 02:59 — Aethelend

Hi there!

New player here, wondering if you have room for one more.

I haven't played much Freeciv, but I love other civilization games. Among the games I've played are Civilization 2, Civilization 3 (my favorite), Civilization 4, Call to Power, Call to Power 2, Sid Meyer's Alien Crossfire, and C-Evo.

I'd love to get in on this, since I'm looking for a civ game I can play more casually and don't have to spend hours and hours on every day.

-Aethelend

Thu, 07/09/2009 - 07:12 — kevin551

Are these polls really active? Not yet!

I wrote those polls a few days ago but Maho needs to activate them before they go live. On my screen they show up as Your content(not published) in the top left, and yes mistakenly as active polls on the team page.

Sat, 07/25/2009 - 21:10 — Kinetic

Can someone activate them?

It's been awhile, and the start date is getting closer and closer, these polls should be opened...

Sun, 07/26/2009 - 03:25 — kevin551

The admin is having a long holiday.

Hi
The admin of the site Maho is the only one who can set these polls to go live. He has been away for four weeks now. If he is away for another month then I will be jealous of his extended holiday. The polls will work fine as long as we get at least two weeks to vote on them. The time crunch will come if the outcome of one of these polls suggests another related vote is needed afterward.

Fri, 07/31/2009 - 21:42 — Kryon

Rules

Are the rules of this game will be based on LTXV or they will be set to default? If they will not be similar to LTXV, I will open a vote for setting the diplchance.

Fri, 07/31/2009 - 22:01 — canuck101

We start with the same rules

We start with the same rules and settings from LTXV.

Wed, 08/19/2009 - 11:16 — maho

If he is away for another

If he is away for another month then I will be jealous of his extended holiday

No reason to be jealous. I had holiday, true, but things to do made huge queue when I was on holiday, so I was simply buried by them.

I will activate them one by one soon. Few days and everything is up to date.

Sat, 08/29/2009 - 08:42 — syntron

I got some time restrictions

I got some time restrictions so I'm out. I hope that I will have the time to continue to play Ltex ...

Sat, 08/29/2009 - 10:32 — edrim

Thats why it is LongTurn,

Thats why it is LongTurn, you dont have to be online all day, just couple of minutes to have fun and get some expirence.

Tue, 09/01/2009 - 08:36 — syntron

so don't kill me if I'm idle

so don't kill me if I'm idle for some turns ... :-)

Tue, 09/01/2009 - 10:46 — edrim

There will be some specialg

There will be some specialg guys to get care about your account, you shouldnt worry about that, if you wont back to game they will play your nation and kill you some turns before end:)

Tue, 09/01/2009 - 11:05 — syntron

quit nice of them to play my

quit nice of them to play my nation ... but about the killing we should talk ;-)

Sun, 08/30/2009 - 05:46 — edrim

you can take any adres of

you can take any adres of posted earlier, for eg. i am usually connecting on lt14.longturn.org
LTeX is going on 5558 port

Tue, 09/01/2009 - 21:20 — Kryon

Start

Nations are assigned randomly. The game hasn't started yet. This page will show an IP and port when the game starts. Unfortunately one has to check every day to see if the game has started.

Maho, have you decided when to start the game? Once you pick a date, it'd be very handy if we all got email alerts say 1 week before the game starts and another reminder 1 day before the game starts. We all get emails for sign ups and delegates but we don't get any updates regarding the game start date which is more important.

Kryon

Tue, 09/01/2009 - 22:54 — canuck101

Agreed. An email notice of

Agreed. An email notice of game start would be nice.

Wed, 09/02/2009 - 15:34 — maho

I will try, but I cannot

I will try, but I cannot promise.

But for sure I will post info about it on website. If you're using RSS, you don't need to check page every day.

Wed, 09/02/2009 - 15:38 — maho

I was unable to find the

I was unable to find the LTex server posted anywhere and I didn't want that to happen with LTXVI.
But you have all server/port info at Ltex2.1

Sat, 09/12/2009 - 21:56 — maho

I have fixed unitwaittime

I have fixed unitwaittime ... I don't remember that we have voted foggedborders ....

Sun, 09/13/2009 - 00:38 — Kryon

foggedborders

I didn't open a vote for it because it was already enabled in LTXV and as far as I know the (unvoted) settings get carried over to the next game. Fogged borders is an important concept and I think the majority would want it. So, Maho could you please enable it?

Thanks,

Kryon

Sun, 09/13/2009 - 00:42 — maho

hmm, ok

Thu, 09/17/2009 - 20:24 — canuck101

Does anybody know if just

Does anybody know if just one person needs an embassy to meet, or do both need to establish an embassy with eachother?

Fri, 09/18/2009 - 08:07 — mrsynical

Does anybody know if just

Does anybody know if just one person needs an embassy to meet, or do both need to establish an embassy with eachother?

I believe each nation needs an embassy to initiate a meeting. However, once initiated both nations can negotiate (including making a 2nd embassy).

Thu, 09/17/2009 - 21:30 — syntron

rapture delay

rapture delay is set to 3

you can check the server settings at game -> server options (freeciv client 2.1.9)

Fri, 09/18/2009 - 05:39 — Robodave

Detailed Rules Changes: LTXVI

Now that the game has started, I've compiled a list of differences from the Freeciv defaults. This isn't based on the history of polls and incremental changes, but on a diff of the server config files. I hope it helps players (like me) who are new to Longturn.

Server & Game Options

The game is autosaved every turn.
A turn lasts 23 hours.
Turns can end early if every player clicks "Turn Done", including disconnected players.

Map & Terrain

The map is a rectangular grid that wraps N-S and E-W.
The whole map is temperate. There are no poles.
The map is 20,000 tiles square, and 40% land.
There are no huts or barbarians.
10% of terrain squares will have special resources.
Movement cost for difficult terrain has been doubled. For example, mountains cost 6 move, but plains still cost 1.

Research & Diplomacy

Diplomacy is enabled, but players cannot meet for diplomacy unless they have an embassy.
Player city trading is disabled.
Diplomats and spies have a base chance of success of 50% (the default is 80%).
The space race is disabled.
Revolutions last 2 turns.

Units

Starting units are four settlers, two workers, and two explorers.
Units start within a 3-square radius.
Units that move right before the turn ends must wait an hour before their move is refilled.
Units in a fortress regain 50% HP.
All units have had their movement speed tripled.
All units may or may not have had their vision tripled. (The config file says so, but it doesn't appear in game.)
Veterans get a movement bonus of 3 per veteran level.
Settlers and workers can become veterans by performing useful work.
New unit: Migrants. Build cost 15 shields, 1 population; upkeep 1 shield, 1 food; just like settlers, but cannot found new cities.
Caravans and Freight have been disabled.

Cities

Cities must rapture for 3 turns before they start to grow.
Cities must be placed at least 4 squares apart.
The build cost of Marco Polo's Embassy has been increased from 200 to 500.

Fri, 09/18/2009 - 06:33 — kevin551

Extra non-standard options

RoboDave that is a great list.

There are some extra changes that you did not mention because they are patches to the code, rather than option settings.

no teleporting.
fogged borders.
tired attack.

I would place these in a separate section 'extra patches' with city trading and unitwaittime. For those who try to test these settings at home the non-standard options must be commented out unless you are willing to self compile the code with the added patches included.

Also in your list some changes

Units that move right before the turn ends must wait 10 hours before their move is refilled.
Veterans get a movement bonus of 1 normal tile (= 3 river tiles) per veteran level.
Engineers and workers can become veterans by performing useful work.

Sat, 09/19/2009 - 07:03 — Kevapo

game statistiks for LTXV

Can we try to see the syntron game statistiks for LTXV for example ?

Sat, 09/19/2009 - 17:40 — syntron

it's not my statistics - I

it's not my statistics - I only found the script at forum.freeciv.org. It was written by Munk ...

Mon, 09/21/2009 - 15:19 — Kryon

Stats

Yes, it'd be great to have these graphs. Let's ask Munk if he can create graphs for us. We will need to give him the saved games.

Mon, 09/21/2009 - 16:41 — syntron

I think it would be easier

I think it would be easier if maho could run this script on the server ...

Fri, 10/16/2009 - 22:42 — Kryon

bug

yes, I've noticed the same thing.

Sun, 10/18/2009 - 17:31 — urgo

I can`t connect as well. :(

Mon, 10/19/2009 - 13:35 — maho

server crashed, it happends

server crashed, it happends from time to time.

Sat, 11/07/2009 - 08:45 — maho

only you

Sat, 12/19/2009 - 05:33 — Kryon

welcome

Hi. We'd love to have you join LT community. Unfortunately a regular game has just started but you can always join the experimental game which accepts players even later in the game: http://longturn.org/ltex-2-1-s...

Maho, I suggest opening a 15-player game for such players. I am sure it'll consist mostly of new players as most players who are currently playing LT16 or LT17 will not join another game.

Sat, 12/19/2009 - 09:07 — maho

Maho, I suggest opening a

Maho, I suggest opening a 15-player game for such players. I am sure it'll consist mostly of new players as most players who are currently playing LT16 or LT17 will not join another game.

Soon, soon.

Wed, 07/01/2009 - 01:51 — kevin551

1 Sep deadline.

I would prefer a later start date. I have holidays in August.
The first poll I am going to add to add is a vote on changing the rules for FFA non-diplomacy games, so that only one player can win.

Wed, 07/01/2009 - 11:15 — Citral

I also feel compelled to

I also feel compelled to only allow one winner.

But prepare for a hellish long game, heh.

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 13:58 — maho

one winner

Everyone wants one-winner, but later, when we have stalemate, noone wants to fight to be the only winner and suddenly everyone wants group-win :).

Tue, 08/04/2009 - 19:52 — canuck101

I'm still getting access

I'm still getting access denied when I click on polls. Could you please activate them?

-canuck101

Wed, 07/01/2009 - 12:04 — edrim

diploff

I like no-diplomacy games, but i like FFA with full diplomacy game too, is there is a plan to start FFA diplomacy game?

If there is diploff why dont we take any possible to switch techs? Like conquering and stealing, also GL.

Is there any plans to switch on caravans? I dont like them, so i am happy not to see them around.

Wed, 07/01/2009 - 13:23 — Citral

diplomacy is nice with

diplomacy is nice with things like travelling each other's land and shared vision. And war on one is war on all.

Not so good is unrestricted city trading.

Maybe good/not good: Tech trading and gold trading.

Wed, 07/01/2009 - 13:48 — edrim

settings

So maybe switch all tradings ON with maho's LTeX techs-sharing-patch.
It will be interest when you want to give a tech to someone it costs a lot because you lost it, and there is no 100% chance that your pal will get this tech:)

Thu, 07/02/2009 - 19:50 — sokrat

caravan teleporting

I won't play this game, cause i need a break.

But if i remember well, unit teleporting by city-giving (or bribing) has been banned by a nice Book patch.
So the greatest reason (IMHO) to avoid diplomacy is gone :)

Fri, 07/03/2009 - 02:09 — mrsynical

So the greatest reason

So the greatest reason (IMHO) to avoid diplomacy is gone

I agree. Is this currently a no-diplomacy game?? If so it will probably be a very very long game like LTXIV.

Fri, 07/03/2009 - 03:11 — kevin551

Create a FFA with alliances game.

I have added a new poll to change the diplomacy setting. Currently it is set to team-only. I suggest we alter this to allow full diplomacy.

Sat, 07/04/2009 - 18:23 — syntron

New to longturn

Hi all,

I play freeciv (as me against the AI) but not the online/longturn game. Now I want to try it. Are there special requirements to sign up? I hope I will survive against human players ...

One question: which client is needed? freeciv-2.1.9 or a special binary? Is the development version 2.1.99 OK? I did not found the answer in the FAQ.

Matthias

Sat, 07/04/2009 - 21:15 — canuck101

No special

No special requirements.

2.1.9 will do. I don't think 2.1.99 will work though.

-canuck101

Sun, 07/05/2009 - 11:43 — chomzee

I'm new as well so don't

I'm new as well so don't worry -- not everyone will have high skills. :)

Sun, 07/05/2009 - 18:49 — syntron

I'm in ...

.. and I hope to survive till AC ...

Mon, 07/06/2009 - 02:57 — kevin551

New players are welcome

Hi
This Longturn game is unlikely to start before September. Surviving until AD means you keep playing once a day until Jan 2010. The game may last another 3 months after this. As the name suggests it takes a long time.
I you want to practice beforehand I suggest either joining the ltex game or playing a multi-player shortturn game. I also suggest reading through some of the past forum topics so you get a feel for the differences between longturn and a regular game.
Looking forward to playing LTXVI with you all.
Kevin

Mon, 07/06/2009 - 08:36 — syntron

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