LTeX 2.1 (13/30)
Fri, 10/31/2008 - 20:15 — maho
LTeX 2.1 started:
host: ltex21.longturn.org
port: 5558
username/password: the same as at longturn.org
UPDATE: game closed. Please sign to new, re-launched LTeX
Comments
this page is to replace old
this page is to replace old page about LTeX
Subscribing to LTex21
Hi Maho
I just subscribed to this game using the sign me button. I am interested in testing the move/refill patch. Can you add me to the game.
Kevin
And Re-added
Hi
I appear to have been killed before I first logged on. I am RIP, I can see the entire map, including the position of the submarines. Can you re-add me, and explain why RIP players see the whole map?
Kevin
Strange Every player I added
Strange
Every player I added in previous turn, is now dead. I will add once again :).
Same Problem
I'm having the same problem as everyone else with a new ltex21 account. I was under the impression that the game was starting over from 4000bc.
Benjamin
And re-re-added
Am RIP again. Can you re-add me again.
Kevin
I must first fix a bug with
I must first fix a bug with it. Find why you're suddenly dead. It doesn't look like someone has killed you.
Interesting, that me and Horazont are still alive, but we were added before moverefillpatch. Maybe it's somehow related?
Since there is a different
Since there is a different bug already in the patch's code, and a lot of debugging stuff that should be removed, maybe you should remove the moverefill code from the server for a few days to see if it causing this bug.
Logging On
Every time I try to log on I get the Connection Refused message, anyone know whats going on??
-I got Ham but I'm not a Hamster-
Yeah, I think the server is
Yeah, I think the server is dead and awaiting bug fix. See Maho's unobvious announcement ....
http://www.longturn.org/ltex2-...
yes, server is dead, because
yes, server is dead, because I have found a bug. Let me fix it and I will respawn it.
I wanted to be quick this time, but it became as usual :(
Problem
Hi. I signed up but cannot join. Please help. Thanks.
I really want to play
I really want to play LongTurn. I am in the players list but cannot join. Has it not started yet?
Kryon
This game interrupted,
This game interrupted, because bug found, and is waiting until I fix it. Unfortunately, I was short with time last weeks .... :(.
So, please wait few days more.
ok, thx for the info. i'll
ok, thx for the info. i'll keep an eye. how long do you think it will take you to restart it?
LTeX reestablished. Note,
LTeX reestablished.
Note, that moverefilltimeout is set to 10 hours.
Does that mean it works on
Does that mean it works on your server?
No, it does only mean that
No, it does only mean that it's set. It didn't work for me, but if it will work for others, then well ... I can be that only one who can move units without waiting for refill :).
That doesn't really make
That doesn't really make sense, it's not like other users are running their own server. Either it works on the server hosting the game or it doesn't. Sorry that I do not have time to examine the patch in detail (being busy with regular freeciv and warclient), but if it only works some of the time that would be unfair to the unlucky players and it should be turned off.
Book, but it's important to
Book, but it's important to know if it doesn't work at all , or it does work, or sometimes? Maybe we will find circumstances when it does and when it doesn't work?
That's why it has been turned on in LTeX2.1, to find out.
Alright I suppose, if no
Alright I suppose, if no players mind. I'm not sure how well it can be tested though; if you disable the super verbose debugging logging it is hard to track back the actions (just from user reports), while if you enable the logging it will produce megabytes and megabytes of almost completely useless log files.
Anyway, players please report anything strange that you find.
move refill patch
So, here is the situation of my units confronted to the move-refill patch :
I made all my moves 8 hours before turn change.
Now, 3h30 after turn change, none of them has regain any move point, from warrior to vet horse.
Testing the move refill patch
I would like to test the patch but sadly I have never had any units. Maho can you add me again. BTW I can still see the whole map.
done
done
Move-refill timeout is greater than ten hours for me.
The first test of the moverefill patch is not going well for me.
I moved my units 9 hours before turn change. Have tried to move them 2, 3, and 4 hours after. That is a delay of 11, 12 and 13 hours. They have yet to have their moves restored. Oh dear!
After 24 hours, ie 9 hours before turn the next turn change I got all the moves back. I seem to have a 24 hour timeout.
That's interesting. Can
That's interesting. Can anyone else confirm that their moves are being refilled as if the moverefill time were 24 h = 86400 s?
Maho are you sure you set timeout = 86400 and moverefilltime = 36000? If that is the case, then there would seem to be a mistake in the refill time calculation code, which I should be able to fix easily.
I'm sure I have set it to
I'm sure I have set it to 36000.
Ok I'll check the algorithm
Ok I'll check the algorithm when time permits.
More comments on the move refill patch
For most of the holidays I have only logged on to the game once each 24 hours at approximately the same time. The move refill patch has no impact on this style of play.
Yesterday I moved some of my units, early in the turn some late, and made some partial moves.
After a delay of 12 hours from the last move made, and over the turn change, The units that moved early had all been restored and the partial moves had all been partially restored. The later units had not been restored. 4 hours later all units had been restored..
From this test and the one above the timeout seems to be either somewhere between 13 and 16 hours. Or there is a secondary factor at work, for instance ten hours after time change, that I have not been testing for.
I have feeling that timer is
I have feeling that timer is even near about 24h .... but it doesn't disturb me, and gives game even more smooth - turn change affects only my money and production.
But the hard fact is that value of timeoutrefill is 36000.
Why I like the move refill patch
Despite not knowing the exact timeout setting I really like this patch. Here's why.
I have never lost a move, never lost production or money with this patch.
Where I live the time change is fixed at 5:30AM every day. I do not want to get up and play at this time. By logging on 5 hours before and 5 hours after turn change I can be sure to defeat any double turn invasions. This I did yesterday. Thank you Book.
The patch seems to be working properly in complex situations. For example when I split my move along a river into thirds. On the next turn if I move out of the river onto a mountain with 2/3 of a move yet to be restored. The patch does not restore those 2/3 move in this case.
Now what?
So I signed up and everything, how do I join the game?
When I connect I am "detached" and unable to take a player :(
You are not yet set up
Maho first needs to add a nation to the game environment. Spawn you some toys to play :)
Now you are just logging in, but there's no nation that you are attached to and there is no nation you can be attached to, and obviously, you are not allowed to take someone's nation :)
@Smingvin
Same problem here. First time i ( hopefully :) ) will play ...
Greetings
Angry
New Ltex - New Patches
Hi
Have come back from holiday to find a new ltex with a new patch.
No Teleport - thanks Book! Did the tired attack patch get added as well? The Move/Refill patch is still taking longer than 14 hours to refill but I still like it. Hope we can add it to LTX1V.
Kevin
Further Debugging of the Move Refill patch
Today I moved my units just more than 10 hours before the turn change. They regained their movement just after turn. Hence the refill time greater than 14 hours seems only to apply to moves made in the ten hours before turn change.
Can't connect
Hello,
I've been playing LTeX2.1 since the 1st turn, but I can not connect since yesterday. Is there a server problem???
I've just read today that you have to click turn done to avoid being idle. I didn't know that. I was just moving units and then disconnecting. Hopefully, you didn't remove me b/c of that. HELP!
Kryon
Longturn Offline
Right now, I cannot access LTeX21 or LTXIV. I think the server must be down. Kevin551 wrote to Maho yesterday about updating the server and it may be that he is doing that today.
Last night I tried to connect and both games "failed to look up host", the website was down, and the RSS was showing an error. The website and RSS are clearly working now and I get "connection refused" when trying to join the games.
-Benjamin
I cannot connect too and it
I cannot connect too and it seems it is still down atm ...
Still
I still can't connect. Maho please tell us what is going on?
No, I was not doing it
No, I was not doing it today. Simply - server (machine) restarted. Also unfortunately - we have lost lot of turns, forgot to do lastsave frequently.
So, please forgive me that time travel (unfortunately - one way ticket)
Restart!
I think you restarted only to give a second chance to your invading horse. :-)
--
Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil. -- Niccolo Machiavelli
were you saving manually?
were you saving manually? can't u just auto save every turn? thanks
thanks you're welcome :)
thanks
you're welcome :)
we have lost lot of turns,
we have lost lot of turns, forgot to do lastsave frequently.
Excellent ....
Excellent ! I don't think so.
Hmmm! Lucky for some.
Serves me right for asking for a restart.
Hey, it's experimental game,
Hey, it's experimental game, such things will happend from time to time ....
Thank you!!
And that's why it is fun to play the LTeX.
BTW, THANK YOU Maho for everything you do!!
Good point pipo, we
Good point pipo, we shouldn't be too negative. We've enjoyed free of charge games for years, and I hope there are many years to come. I don't know what server capacity costs, but if Maho charged us his working hours we'd all be broke. Well at least the students among us ;)
Ofcourse it's easy to say for me because I'm dead in LTeX anyway :P
=== 0h Marduk, thou art chiefest among the great gods! To destroy and to create; speak thou the word, and thy command shall be fulfilled. ===
Ofcourse it's easy to say
Ofcourse it's easy to say for me because I'm dead in LTeX anyway :P
Just let me know if you want to be respawned.
Just let me know if you want
Just let me know if you want to be respawned.
Thanks, I'll let you know ;) My study is a bit demanding so for the moment I'll focus on winning LTXIV :P
=== 0h Marduk, thou art chiefest among the great gods! To destroy and to create; speak thou the word, and thy command shall be fulfilled. ===
server (machine)
server (machine) restarted
Not that it matters too much, but the random time out script doesn't seem to be active in either 2.1 game.
PS - thanks for running all the servers :-)
FYI...
FYI - the script used in 2.0.x simply did not work here. During the launching of XIII it was discovered, that changing timeout value goes into effect with the start of the new turn - example:
Timeout is set to 88200 = 24.5h, we are at 86400=24h from the beginning, if we change timeout to 83000 (in 2.0.x it was instant end of turn ), the turn will continue for half an hour till it reaches 88200, and next one starts with length of 83000.
I am not sure if there's any possible way around - except patching the code (for example, with move-refill patch - which is being tested).
communication
since this is my 1st LT, is there a way to communicate with others? I guess most people use msn but how do I learn the msn of others?
It would be so nice if a messaging system was added to LT servers. For example, when you establish embassy with someone, you could send a message to him, and he receives it when he logs in.
longturn.org
or do you use this website to send msg?
or do you use this website
or do you use this website to send msg?
Initially you can contact people via the clicking on their user name and using contact tab.
However, I think we tend to use email once we have figured out people's email addresses.
nice
thanks for the info.
I did write a patch that
I did write a patch that implements a kind of "mailbox" for players in the game:
http://mantis.pagema.net/view....
Mailbox would be really nice.
Maho, can we add that mailbox patch to LTex for testing. It would be really nice to have in the next Longturn game.
let's try it
Right. If it's already available, let's try it. It would be better than using the website to communicate.
Respawn
Maho, I would like to be respawned in LTeX2.1, thank you.
--
Hatred is gained as much by good works as by evil. -- Niccolo Machiavelli
idlers - cleanup
I have unsubscribed all players which were idle more than 10 turns from game. According to rules - I should mark them as idler, but we had holidays, so maybe someone was just on vacation.
Anyway, game is almost like restarted :).
Mir3x, are you boring or
Mir3x, are you boring or what?
Do you want to be our new KDE or what?
Mir3x, newbie ....
2: Lost connection: newbie from d90-141-124-92.cust.tele2.pl (player newbie).
2: (84) mir3x: connection request [d90-141-124-92.cust.tele2.pl
Mir3x, I hope you have good explanation of this ..?
bonsanto - you must wait
Bonsanto - you must wait a bit. I can't add you.
The game is either too crowdy, or there is some bug in game code - it can't find suitable location for you.
New players?
There are supposedly 30/30 player in this game according to page. I believe no new players can sign up. According to a person who was looking to join a game could not find the sign up button.
In the nations window in the game there are 19 alive & active players. There are 13 RIPed players.
So is it possible for more people to sign up? How come 19+13 != 30?
New player
May I be given a nation, please? Thanks!
if possible I would like to
if possible I would like to be added (idle kick?).
ltex fun game
It's been fun playing the LTeX2.1 game. LTXIV is taking more and more of my time and I don't have the time of day to govern both nations, especially as my nation in LTeX2.1 is spiraling into war from all sides. I may rejoin ltex at the conclusion of ltxiv. Until then...
new patches
Hi Maho. It would be great if you could apply Book's 2 new patches (borders and double-move) to LTex when you get a chance. I guess he had also made a patch for offline messaging. Adding that would be cool also. Thanks!
Kryon
comments on LTex
please see http://longturn.org/forum/comments-ltex
Server crashed?
It seems LTex2.1 server crashed while Claus and I was testing the delegation control yesterday. Any updates on this?
Embassy issues
When you establish contact with someone, you can see his score even if you are at war with him. I understand you could see everyone's score earlier, so this is much better. But it'd be more realistic if you could see the score of others only if you establish embassy with them.
Similarly, when I have contact with someone, I can see whom they are allied or at war with. I think, this should also be limited to having embassy.
I guess these can be solved by setting "turns until player contact is lost" to 0, right? Even if so, it'd be better to fix this separately.
Finally, when I ally with someone and he establishes embassy with someone else, it would be realistic if I automatically establish embassy with him also
Any comments/thoughts?
Kryon
Dear Maho I would like to
Dear Maho
I would like to take "VinceWhirlwind" Player # 9 ' s spot. but I dont know how to do that. I think he/she is an idler.
Harry
New
Hi Maho
I am new can I take the place of an idler?
Harry
I want to join this game
something wrong here:
I see ltex21.longturn.org game at port 5556 NOT 5558 and I can't join - could one help me?
add me please
hi all!
so I signed up for the game, but I think somebody still needs to add me manually or something?
Is the server for ltex2.1
Is the server for ltex2.1 down? I get no connection at the moment ...
OK. I'm in ...
OK. I'm in ...
active?
is this a dead game or is it still running? Is it possible to join, i.e. remove dead / idle players?
you're already in.
you're already in.
Server crashed? Just
Server crashed?
Just confirming that I have been unable to access for the last 12 hrs (or so).
ok it's back now
ok it's back now
allowtake
maho, delegate control has not been working since the restart. could you please set allowtake to allow it. thanks.
well, there are players who
well, there are players who died, but they aren't signed out from game. So they may want to be respawned any time.
However, I think I will remove some of those who seems to be not interested in respawning.
and last but not least -
and last but not least - there is bug in title, and idle players are counted as well.
Hi Kryon, I have applied
Hi Kryon,
I have applied them yesterday.
borders
Borders are still visible ...
I can see antartican borders .... they just founded new cities.
uhh, I see, you forgot to enable foggedborders ...
Exactly
Yes, that is the procedure. And this somebody is maho.
I'm back, so I can respawn
I'm back, so I can respawn everyone who wants it.
Vonzgred, why you don't ask for respawning?
I was sort of waiting
I was sort of waiting - if you would consider restarting game. I heard that respawners have no chances, cause algorhytm gives them no decent aerial and naval units - and anti-doublemove patch prevents doubleturn landings (Well, it was designed for that).
I won't consider restarting
I won't consider restarting game. I will start second one.
And it's not true that respawners have no chance - see most recent news on front page.
I asked you if you want to
I asked you if you want to be respawned, but I can see you live on the map.
So either I thought that you were dead and was wrong, because you were alive when I asked
or, there is bug and you became alive without respawning.
Which one is true?
That was a gross misunderstanding.
Yup, just a misunderstanding. A major one. I misunderstood you, misunderstood talk with Elrik under impression of previous misunderstanding, though somebody killed me and thought : "Good somebody killed me, cause I have pretty hectic time and lots of work to do" - and I did not even log in to check, being busy like hell. While, my nation was, and still is, thriving :D.
Feel warned, that won't go through second time. There is no point in you saying I am dead in XV :D
Re: Mir3x, newbie ....
Interesting ... :)
You created for me 2 accounts on LTex2.1 , so I used them both :). There is no account newbie, and there was never such account newbie. Your fault that you created for me 2 accounts, not mine :).
Very interesting ... and
Very interesting ... and email with body I'd like to notify you that newbie sign himself on LTeX 2.1. was written by dwarves?
Sorry Mir3x, I didn't give you 2 accounts, and you know it very well. I'm removing you from LteX (both of you).
It is not dead justt admin
It is not dead justt admin made a mistake some time ago and somehow removed timeout:) Then left for a holiday i suppose. New players can be added only by the admin so we have to wait until Maho will be back
done
done
respawned (I could not add
respawned (I could not add you, because you were already in, but dead)
Thanks
Thanks
yes, it's possible to join
yes, it's possible to join (you have already joined anyways :).
it's not possible :(
it's not possible :(
hehe, I was about to invade
hehe, I was about to invade one of them but I will have to recall the troups, the isand is empty now :-(
need a nation
I also need a nation.
respawned
respawned
yeah, seems so. I think
yeah, seems so.
I think it's excellent opportunity to start brand new ltex2.1.
I think it's excellent
I think it's excellent opportunity to start brand new ltex2.1.
I think the same, lets start funny game with wired options:)
ok let's restart
ok let's restart
This game is finished from
This game is finished from few weeks. Please use informations from "LTex2.1 strikes back" from "active games" section
Bug,
I think there is some kind of bug in LTeX, i have establish meeting box with second player i have tried.
I cant accept conditions were set, this second player has (i mean second because first player i have tried didn accept and i wasnt able to accept too) accepted meeting but when i am trying to click accept meeting nothing happend.
I bet you have some message
I bet you have some message in Message or chat tab about it. Probably some condition cannot be met.
Bug.
I get it:)
War with string ally as usual in this type of meetings:)
new players
Maho I have a couple of questions. It seems you just added 2 players. It then said "Assyrians stole Alphabet from you" although I can't see them (no contact). How did this happen?
Also, do you add new players manually or is it automatic? If you add them manually, does that mean you see the whole map and decide where and how many units to add?
Thanks,
Kryon
Maho I have a couple of
Maho I have a couple of questions. It seems you just added 2 players. It then said "Assyrians stole Alphabet from you" although I can't see them (no contact). How did this happen?
Magic!
Also, do you add new players manually or is it automatic? If you add them manually, does that mean you see the whole map and decide where and how many units to add?
obviously not!
new players
ok, so i guess the server adds the new players automatically. and I guess it gives them a few techs which other players already discovered, and that is why I got the msg "alphabet stolen". makes sense.